Since when does Grim Eyes call things “God-Addled”? I thought that was Digger’s line, given her attitude about gods, and Grim Eyes’ more “Meh, gods, they’re everywhere, not a big deal” thing. (Or am I confusing Grim Eyes’ attitude with Boneclaw Mother?)
Also, this is really cool, because it explains a bit about the world to us (in this case, the situation in Rath); I’d been wondering about how humanoid hyenas with a hunter-gatherer society lived side-by-side with a conventional human settlement, gods, police, and all. A reservation makes sense.
That said, I wonder how tiny the reservation is, if the hyena hunters have to leave it so frequently that Jhalm’s lockdown creates such a problem.
And I’m going to point out that I still LOVE that all of Jhalm’s actions make perfect sense from his perspective – and are not only defensible, but responsible. Very cool villain.
Hah, I am going to run around quoting Grim Eyes from now on… Hmmmm.. How about a bumper sticker that reads, “A Friend might put a spear through your heart but only an Enemy will tell you it’s for your own good.” ;D
Digger seems really thrown for a loop by the crawdads-in-the-pants idiom. Of course, since she doesn’t WEAR pants, it might be especially weird to her…
It reminded my more of how the US moved many Japanese-Americans to camps during WW2, because being Japanese meant they might be spies, even if they had never actually left the country.
Wow… I love how this is reminding everyone of the U.S. I love this country of mine, but it has some sucky crap in it’s history. Anyway, the Native Americans should’ve taught their children better, smjjames. It was because a Native American boy sold a gold nugget to a settler that the gold rush started, and therefor the Trail of Tears. Or something like that; I’m not too good at history.
I disagree with Grimeyes’ statement that ONLY enemies will tell you that it’s for your own good. I am reminded of how parents must do things that their children (albet rebellious teenagers) must occasionally enforce strict rules, even at the child’s displeasure. If it truly IS for the safety of the child, this can be an acceptable, if not noble, act. Still, Captain Jhalm is dancing tippy-toe along a very thin line. It wouldn’t surprise me if Digger & friends should attempt to thwart him.
Anyone minds the Monsters from down below piece?
Those could be the “dark hyena servers” and those could be confused by hyenas
But since *when* are those THAT common for people to take hyenas for them o_O
Wait… what if the evil hyenas took off the masks? Then only Grim-Eye’s tribe could tell the difference, and Jhalm would start killing every one he saw just to be sure. It would be like WW2. Sure, maybe one or two Japanese that went into the camps were terrorists, but much more harm would come out than good. And is anyone else noticing that this conversation keeps going back to United States history?
I don’t think I ever realized how small Surka was until seeing her next to Grim Eyes. She’s just one of those people whose personalities make them seem taller than they actually are.
TekServer, Swallows? No. Ohhh no. Not swallows. We here are keen on members of the superfamilies Astacoidea and Parastacoidea which are freshwater crustaceans resembling small lobsters, to which they are related. They breathe through feather-like gills and are found in bodies of water that do not freeze to the bottom; they are also mostly found in brooks and streams where there is fresh water running, and which have shelter against predators. And not the saltwater spiny lobster, no, no, not them. Not at all. Crabs are right out.
And Barry southern hemisphere pants could be anything from “Walk About Pants” to the northern hemisphere “Levi Strauss Jeans.” Each has a different crustacean crotch density of crawdads depending on species.
I’m just waiting for them to get attacked by an army of bloodsucking crawdads commanded by a gigantic magical Lobster. Digger fends them off and kills the giant lobster by pinning it under a cave-in and pouring gallons of boiling water in through the cracks. Decades later, another clan of wombats moves into the area and, while digging, find the carcass, which has been preserved by the heat and pressure. They thereafter establish the first and only ever lobster mine which they mine for lobster meat to trade with the surrounding peoples, thereafter becoming one of the most affluent wombat warrens in the area.
…huh. That train of thought really got away from me, didn’t it?
@KNO3- You forgot to mention that they were the animals that saved the main character’s life in The Kay. Well, the main character’s companion called them “crawdaddies” but I’m sure it must mean the same thing.
@Mark Atony: The wombats mining the lobster merged with mining the budong on Farscape, and I got a very, very strange mental image…although I really would love to see wombats try and deal with mining a bugong. They would probably have a conniption fit about not being able to shore up the flesh properly, and what practical wombat would work in a dangerous budong mine anyway?
I like the quote, but it sounds mixed up. “A Friend might put a spear through your heart but only an Enemy will tell you it’s for your own good.” Enemies don’t care about what’s good for you. This makes more sense.
“An Enemy might put a spear through your heart but only a Friend will tell you it’s for your own good.”
I think the intent is a little clearer now. I think the original phrase is a typo, which is unfortunate.
Yes Tindi I have the brain bleach. You may all partake of it freely. You may need it.
Again, this may be a British-isum here but are you talking about some sort of Crayfish? I have gathered from the previous conversation that crawdads are some kind of freshwater crustacean and possibly, if the vampire okra comments were related and i have interpreted the comment correctly, connected with Cajun cooking (as is everything else that couldn’t escape: given my brief experiences with Cajun food i concluded that only Cajuns could take a set of ingredients that look like the cast of a Lovecraft book and produce something so good), but I am still at sea with this conversation. Or at least at some body of fresh water that does not to the bottom. Having dug out and read the copy of “The Kay” i was given in secondary school i have found a reference to crawdadies but i must still admit to being slightly lost. I could Google it but well, that’s just cheating.
As for crustacean crotch density no self respecting zooarchaeologist should pass on this wonderful chance to mention lice (technically not crustacean’s but what the heck) I know some wonderful chaps and chapesses who have been working on trying to identify with bits of Viking longhouses were the sleeping areas by going though soil samples from the occupation layers with a microscope and camel-hair brush with only one hair left looking for pubic louse micro-fossils. After testing the soil for phosphate from urine to detect which end on the longhouse the cattle were stalled in it’s really rather a simple process of mapping the other half of the longhouse floor with a grid and taking a soil sample every meter or so. When you hit the sleeping are you’ll know it. some of those people must really have been suffering. It’s a pity really the Vikings had massive taboos about cross-dressing and considered that any man who wanted to use witchcraft had to ware skirt to do it ergo any man not in trousers was a witch, because judging by the results these guys often get your average Viking of either sex could probably have done with a little more ventilation in the nether regions if only to stop their little passengers hiding in clothing. And that’s not to mention the fun the paleoarchaeologists had with lose Mitochondrial DNA, counting the number of mutations difference between clothing and head lice to work out via the predictable rate of mtDNA mutation when the two species split, and from that when humans first wore clothing. Again, I am more interested in the plot than the sidetrack conversations, truly I am. But people have already covered the implications of this reservation. Other people have pointed out the resemblance to darker bits of US (and lest be fair, British via Canadian and Australian) history and covered it well, but if I don’t talk about the scientific value of crotch creepy-crawly density, who else will?
and TekServer, where did you get those coconuts you’re banning together?
Yes, crawdad = crayfish. They amount to midget lobsters without the oversized claws most lobsters have that people think of when they think of lobster. They’re about 3-4 inches long and all over the US south. I used to play with them in creeks around my house. Could give you a decent pinch, but not dangerous. Never considered eating them…
LadyB, the original phrase is *not* a typo. The intent is to show that GrimEyes is even more pissed orf at someone (anyone) telling her that something is “for her own good” than she would be if someone (even a friend) stuck a spear in her heart. She *really* dislikes people who tell you that its for your own good.
BunnyRock your friends are lucky, at least, the tinny non crustaceans they’re studying are dead. While sampling several soil samples under the microscope for micro fossils I had on two occasions live dust mites suddenly run across the field of vision, the buggers are creepy looking as hell and the sight of a furry bloby grain of quartz running across the screen is something best taken out of a horror movie, seriously the first time my brain went “Why hello there, Alien” after the initial fright.
At the time I was watching african sands so the question became, ok is this thing from here or did it came with the sand? The palaeontologist quickly answered, “Well obviously it’s european, just look at it, it’s white” (for those not good with jokes, because if it was an african mite, it would have been a black mite)
Oh my gods, tht last line is so amazing! I’ve always adored Grim Eyes, but this just makes her so much cooler!
seriously crawdads? The closest thing we have is lobsters ( I live in South Africa) but hell thats funny. Kept me giggling all this week.
Good Intentions – Hunamity’s most destructive weapon.
Seriously, crawdads?
I’m interested to see what’ll happen when a worried Digger and a mad Grim-Eyes work TOGETHER. I feel sorry for Captain Jhalm.
Since when does Grim Eyes call things “God-Addled”? I thought that was Digger’s line, given her attitude about gods, and Grim Eyes’ more “Meh, gods, they’re everywhere, not a big deal” thing. (Or am I confusing Grim Eyes’ attitude with Boneclaw Mother?)
Also, this is really cool, because it explains a bit about the world to us (in this case, the situation in Rath); I’d been wondering about how humanoid hyenas with a hunter-gatherer society lived side-by-side with a conventional human settlement, gods, police, and all. A reservation makes sense.
That said, I wonder how tiny the reservation is, if the hyena hunters have to leave it so frequently that Jhalm’s lockdown creates such a problem.
And I’m going to point out that I still LOVE that all of Jhalm’s actions make perfect sense from his perspective – and are not only defensible, but responsible. Very cool villain.
RESERVATION?? grrrr…
Hah, I am going to run around quoting Grim Eyes from now on… Hmmmm.. How about a bumper sticker that reads, “A Friend might put a spear through your heart but only an Enemy will tell you it’s for your own good.” ;D
Digger seems really thrown for a loop by the crawdads-in-the-pants idiom. Of course, since she doesn’t WEAR pants, it might be especially weird to her…
This is EXACTLY what the US did to Native Americans, except for the monsters from down below part.
It reminded my more of how the US moved many Japanese-Americans to camps during WW2, because being Japanese meant they might be spies, even if they had never actually left the country.
‘Reservation.’ **GROWL**
@ Otookee: Just imagine how the crawdads feel about it…
Wow… I love how this is reminding everyone of the U.S. I love this country of mine, but it has some sucky crap in it’s history. Anyway, the Native Americans should’ve taught their children better, smjjames. It was because a Native American boy sold a gold nugget to a settler that the gold rush started, and therefor the Trail of Tears. Or something like that; I’m not too good at history.
Love that Grim Eyes uses “God-addled”–sounds like Digger’s rubbing off on her cousin.
Marrock, you almost made me do a spit-take, ha ha ha ha
I disagree with Grimeyes’ statement that ONLY enemies will tell you that it’s for your own good. I am reminded of how parents must do things that their children (albet rebellious teenagers) must occasionally enforce strict rules, even at the child’s displeasure. If it truly IS for the safety of the child, this can be an acceptable, if not noble, act. Still, Captain Jhalm is dancing tippy-toe along a very thin line. It wouldn’t surprise me if Digger & friends should attempt to thwart him.
Anyone minds the Monsters from down below piece?
Those could be the “dark hyena servers” and those could be confused by hyenas
But since *when* are those THAT common for people to take hyenas for them o_O
Since the Dark Servants go “CLANG!” when you hit them, and Jhalm knows this, I still call Digger-distracting bull.
I love Grim Eyes’ pose, kneeling down to talk to Surka.
And I wonder what Ganesh and any other gods that Jhalm allegedly serves think of this.
Wait… what if the evil hyenas took off the masks? Then only Grim-Eye’s tribe could tell the difference, and Jhalm would start killing every one he saw just to be sure. It would be like WW2. Sure, maybe one or two Japanese that went into the camps were terrorists, but much more harm would come out than good. And is anyone else noticing that this conversation keeps going back to United States history?
I don’t think I ever realized how small Surka was until seeing her next to Grim Eyes. She’s just one of those people whose personalities make them seem taller than they actually are.
…yanno, I can’t blame her. I’m stuck on the crawdads too.
I love your hyenas, thank you for making them such a big part of the story!
How many crawdads are we talking about? And what kind of trousers?
And are they the northern hemisphere or southern hemisphere variety?
> And are they the northern hemisphere or southern hemisphere variety?
If you ask if they’re African or European, and laden or unladen, I swear I’ll start throwing Holy Hand Grenades at you. Or maybe swallows.
I didn’t know trousers were different between the northern and southern hemispheres.
Barry – yup, southern hemisphere trousers do up the flies the other way… honest… well, OK, maybe not that honest but they suffer from more crawdads.
TekServer, Swallows? No. Ohhh no. Not swallows. We here are keen on members of the superfamilies Astacoidea and Parastacoidea which are freshwater crustaceans resembling small lobsters, to which they are related. They breathe through feather-like gills and are found in bodies of water that do not freeze to the bottom; they are also mostly found in brooks and streams where there is fresh water running, and which have shelter against predators. And not the saltwater spiny lobster, no, no, not them. Not at all. Crabs are right out.
And Barry southern hemisphere pants could be anything from “Walk About Pants” to the northern hemisphere “Levi Strauss Jeans.” Each has a different crustacean crotch density of crawdads depending on species.
I’m just waiting for them to get attacked by an army of bloodsucking crawdads commanded by a gigantic magical Lobster. Digger fends them off and kills the giant lobster by pinning it under a cave-in and pouring gallons of boiling water in through the cracks. Decades later, another clan of wombats moves into the area and, while digging, find the carcass, which has been preserved by the heat and pressure. They thereafter establish the first and only ever lobster mine which they mine for lobster meat to trade with the surrounding peoples, thereafter becoming one of the most affluent wombat warrens in the area.
…huh. That train of thought really got away from me, didn’t it?
KNO3: O_O
>_O Hey, Bunnyrock… you still have the brain bleach?
@KNO3- You forgot to mention that they were the animals that saved the main character’s life in The Kay. Well, the main character’s companion called them “crawdaddies” but I’m sure it must mean the same thing.
> Digger fends them off and kills the giant lobster by pinning it under a cave-in and pouring gallons of boiling water in through the cracks.
No, no no! Everyone (well, everyone familiar with Leonard, Part 6, at least) knows that you defeat lobsters with melted butter.
Melted butter… which also works on crawdads…
@Mark Atony: The wombats mining the lobster merged with mining the budong on Farscape, and I got a very, very strange mental image…although I really would love to see wombats try and deal with mining a bugong. They would probably have a conniption fit about not being able to shore up the flesh properly, and what practical wombat would work in a dangerous budong mine anyway?
The kind who loves a challenge, probably.
I like the quote, but it sounds mixed up. “A Friend might put a spear through your heart but only an Enemy will tell you it’s for your own good.” Enemies don’t care about what’s good for you. This makes more sense.
“An Enemy might put a spear through your heart but only a Friend will tell you it’s for your own good.”
I think the intent is a little clearer now. I think the original phrase is a typo, which is unfortunate.
Yes Tindi I have the brain bleach. You may all partake of it freely. You may need it.
Again, this may be a British-isum here but are you talking about some sort of Crayfish? I have gathered from the previous conversation that crawdads are some kind of freshwater crustacean and possibly, if the vampire okra comments were related and i have interpreted the comment correctly, connected with Cajun cooking (as is everything else that couldn’t escape: given my brief experiences with Cajun food i concluded that only Cajuns could take a set of ingredients that look like the cast of a Lovecraft book and produce something so good), but I am still at sea with this conversation. Or at least at some body of fresh water that does not to the bottom. Having dug out and read the copy of “The Kay” i was given in secondary school i have found a reference to crawdadies but i must still admit to being slightly lost. I could Google it but well, that’s just cheating.
As for crustacean crotch density no self respecting zooarchaeologist should pass on this wonderful chance to mention lice (technically not crustacean’s but what the heck) I know some wonderful chaps and chapesses who have been working on trying to identify with bits of Viking longhouses were the sleeping areas by going though soil samples from the occupation layers with a microscope and camel-hair brush with only one hair left looking for pubic louse micro-fossils. After testing the soil for phosphate from urine to detect which end on the longhouse the cattle were stalled in it’s really rather a simple process of mapping the other half of the longhouse floor with a grid and taking a soil sample every meter or so. When you hit the sleeping are you’ll know it. some of those people must really have been suffering. It’s a pity really the Vikings had massive taboos about cross-dressing and considered that any man who wanted to use witchcraft had to ware skirt to do it ergo any man not in trousers was a witch, because judging by the results these guys often get your average Viking of either sex could probably have done with a little more ventilation in the nether regions if only to stop their little passengers hiding in clothing. And that’s not to mention the fun the paleoarchaeologists had with lose Mitochondrial DNA, counting the number of mutations difference between clothing and head lice to work out via the predictable rate of mtDNA mutation when the two species split, and from that when humans first wore clothing. Again, I am more interested in the plot than the sidetrack conversations, truly I am. But people have already covered the implications of this reservation. Other people have pointed out the resemblance to darker bits of US (and lest be fair, British via Canadian and Australian) history and covered it well, but if I don’t talk about the scientific value of crotch creepy-crawly density, who else will?
and TekServer, where did you get those coconuts you’re banning together?
Yes, crawdad = crayfish. They amount to midget lobsters without the oversized claws most lobsters have that people think of when they think of lobster. They’re about 3-4 inches long and all over the US south. I used to play with them in creeks around my house. Could give you a decent pinch, but not dangerous. Never considered eating them…
LadyB, the original phrase is *not* a typo. The intent is to show that GrimEyes is even more pissed orf at someone (anyone) telling her that something is “for her own good” than she would be if someone (even a friend) stuck a spear in her heart. She *really* dislikes people who tell you that its for your own good.
Yabbie, dammit. Yabbie.
BunnyRock your friends are lucky, at least, the tinny non crustaceans they’re studying are dead. While sampling several soil samples under the microscope for micro fossils I had on two occasions live dust mites suddenly run across the field of vision, the buggers are creepy looking as hell and the sight of a furry bloby grain of quartz running across the screen is something best taken out of a horror movie, seriously the first time my brain went “Why hello there, Alien” after the initial fright.
At the time I was watching african sands so the question became, ok is this thing from here or did it came with the sand? The palaeontologist quickly answered, “Well obviously it’s european, just look at it, it’s white” (for those not good with jokes, because if it was an african mite, it would have been a black mite)